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Krillin(android saga) vs final form frieza(2%)
Topic Started: Nov 20 2011, 04:19 PM (1,087 Views)
Cocoman
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SSJ Ranulf
Nov 20 2011, 10:13 PM
but I imagine that with some creative thinking you could find evidence that Base Goku (Sick) > Tien * Yamcha + Krillin.
Highly unlikely xD
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Nov 20 2011, 10:03 PM
Tenshinhan states that SSjin Goku was in a different dimension than both himself and Piccolo so the ki that Piccolo was displaying couldn't have been that much.
Depending on your gap between c20 and SSjin Vegeta, they should all be at least half of that imo.
There is no way around Krillin, Tenshinhan and Gohan all at least rivalling the base Saiyans.
I originally got this theory from a member off of Daizex and it holds water.

My numbers;

Vegeta- 40,000,000
SSjin- 400,000,000

Goku- 39,000,000
SSjin- 390,000,000
Sick SSjin- 350,000,000 (and falling)

Piccolo- 350,000,000
Resting Ki- 100,000,000

Android 20- 190,000,000
post absorptions- 305,000,000

Tenshinhan- 45,000,000

Krillin- 36,000,000

Gohan- 30,000,000
What makes you think the humans (besides Tien, of course) are even capable of making it over a million?
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Illustrious
Nov 21 2011, 02:18 AM
Cocoman
Nov 20 2011, 10:03 PM
Tenshinhan states that SSjin Goku was in a different dimension than both himself and Piccolo so the ki that Piccolo was displaying couldn't have been that much.
Depending on your gap between c20 and SSjin Vegeta, they should all be at least half of that imo.
There is no way around Krillin, Tenshinhan and Gohan all at least rivalling the base Saiyans.
I originally got this theory from a member off of Daizex and it holds water.

My numbers;

Vegeta- 40,000,000
SSjin- 400,000,000

Goku- 39,000,000
SSjin- 390,000,000
Sick SSjin- 350,000,000 (and falling)

Piccolo- 350,000,000
Resting Ki- 100,000,000

Android 20- 190,000,000
post absorptions- 305,000,000

Tenshinhan- 45,000,000

Krillin- 36,000,000

Gohan- 30,000,000
What makes you think the humans (besides Tien, of course) are even capable of making it over a million?
Do you have sound, logical, manga based reasoning that they could not? Quotes?

A previous post of mine in this thread points out that Krillin put Ten and Yamcha in the same class, Yamcha was considered a good source of energy for #20 (who, unlike Cell, didn't care about stealing normal people's energy), and both Krillin and Yamcha should be fairly close to Gohan (as Goku sent him to help Yajirobe, and it's out of character for Goku to worry about his son only if he was faaaaa~aar stronger than his beloved friend, Krillin).
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SSJ Ranulf
Nov 21 2011, 02:35 AM
Illustrious
Nov 21 2011, 02:18 AM
Cocoman
Nov 20 2011, 10:03 PM
Tenshinhan states that SSjin Goku was in a different dimension than both himself and Piccolo so the ki that Piccolo was displaying couldn't have been that much.
Depending on your gap between c20 and SSjin Vegeta, they should all be at least half of that imo.
There is no way around Krillin, Tenshinhan and Gohan all at least rivalling the base Saiyans.
I originally got this theory from a member off of Daizex and it holds water.

My numbers;

Vegeta- 40,000,000
SSjin- 400,000,000

Goku- 39,000,000
SSjin- 390,000,000
Sick SSjin- 350,000,000 (and falling)

Piccolo- 350,000,000
Resting Ki- 100,000,000

Android 20- 190,000,000
post absorptions- 305,000,000

Tenshinhan- 45,000,000

Krillin- 36,000,000

Gohan- 30,000,000
What makes you think the humans (besides Tien, of course) are even capable of making it over a million?
Do you have sound, logical, manga based reasoning that they could not? Quotes?

A previous post of mine in this thread points out that Krillin put Ten and Yamcha in the same class, Yamcha was considered a good source of energy for #20 (who, unlike Cell, didn't care about stealing normal people's energy), and both Krillin and Yamcha should be fairly close to Gohan (as Goku sent him to help Yajirobe, and it's out of character for Goku to worry about his son only if he was faaaaa~aar stronger than his beloved friend, Krillin).
Maybe because he was far above the regular powerlevel of "5". Remember, #19 and #20 weren't expecting Goku to arrive as strong as he did and they may have mistaken Yamcha for the "theoretical" Goku, (who is probably at at least 500,000 by my numbers). I don't have Gohan being that much stronger than Krillin or Yamcha, and weaker than Tien, I just think it's crazy that they'd improve THAT much over the course of 3 years, while still being humans and not training under heavy gravity.
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Illustrious
Nov 21 2011, 02:45 AM
SSJ Ranulf
Nov 21 2011, 02:35 AM
Illustrious
Nov 21 2011, 02:18 AM
Cocoman
Nov 20 2011, 10:03 PM
Tenshinhan states that SSjin Goku was in a different dimension than both himself and Piccolo so the ki that Piccolo was displaying couldn't have been that much.
Depending on your gap between c20 and SSjin Vegeta, they should all be at least half of that imo.
There is no way around Krillin, Tenshinhan and Gohan all at least rivalling the base Saiyans.
I originally got this theory from a member off of Daizex and it holds water.

My numbers;

Vegeta- 40,000,000
SSjin- 400,000,000

Goku- 39,000,000
SSjin- 390,000,000
Sick SSjin- 350,000,000 (and falling)

Piccolo- 350,000,000
Resting Ki- 100,000,000

Android 20- 190,000,000
post absorptions- 305,000,000

Tenshinhan- 45,000,000

Krillin- 36,000,000

Gohan- 30,000,000
What makes you think the humans (besides Tien, of course) are even capable of making it over a million?
Do you have sound, logical, manga based reasoning that they could not? Quotes?

A previous post of mine in this thread points out that Krillin put Ten and Yamcha in the same class, Yamcha was considered a good source of energy for #20 (who, unlike Cell, didn't care about stealing normal people's energy), and both Krillin and Yamcha should be fairly close to Gohan (as Goku sent him to help Yajirobe, and it's out of character for Goku to worry about his son only if he was faaaaa~aar stronger than his beloved friend, Krillin).
Maybe because he was far above the regular powerlevel of "5". Remember, #19 and #20 weren't expecting Goku to arrive as strong as he did and they may have mistaken Yamcha for the "theoretical" Goku, (who is probably at at least 500,000 by my numbers). I don't have Gohan being that much stronger than Krillin or Yamcha, and weaker than Tien, I just think it's crazy that they'd improve THAT much over the course of 3 years, while still being humans and not training under heavy gravity.
Your logic is understandable and unbiased. I simply disagree with it.

1) 500,000 would be worthless to Gero, IMO. Piccolo thought that he was the Android Trunks feared, and wondered if he (Piccolo) was simply to strong, or if Gero was just to weak. Initial Gero, no matter how you shake it, should be 120,000,000 (I.E. Frieza level) at the very least, and 120,500,000 isn't much scarier than 120,000,000. However, if Yamcha was 20,000,000, and Gero became 135,000,000, then he would have reason to think that his increase is impressive.

2) Goku stated that he thought Gohan would be valuable against the Androids to Chi Chi, and you agree that Gohan should be around Krillin and Yamcha. The Androids were expected to be > Post-Yardrat Goku. There is no evidence that fighters of less than 1,000,000 could do anything to warriors over x150 of their power. But if they were 10,000,000, there is evidence they could do SOMETHING, as seen in Piccolo cheap shotting 50% Frieza far away.

3) People have made better haxes than that before: Ten went from 250 to AT LEAST 1,500 after 1 year of training. That's x6. Piccolo, with weights, was considered enough to impress Nail, so he should, at the very least, equal him. Yamcha at that time could very reasonably be half of Piccolo, so around 20,000. Then he was on King Kaio's world for another 100 days: IMO, he should be at least x10 what he was after Piccolo left. He's now at 200,000. If he trains marginally from then till Trunks arrives (well over a year), he could be at, say, 250,000.

Yamcha then hears the Androids are coming, and trains VERY hard. He's not getting Ten's x6 (IMO, x8) from the Saiyan saga, so it' reasonable to say he gets x2 per year. That's not to bad, all things considered.

Intial: 250,000
-Year 1: 500,000
-Year 2: 1,000,000
-Year 3: 2,000,000

Now I have him WAY above that, but that's showing how he could within reason reach a level of over 1 million. It's not unreasonable following LOGIC, and AT very often seems to disregard logic.

And this is not using things such as Ten keeping up better than Sick Goku flying, not pissing himself when Sick Goku's punch doesn't hurt #20, and Krillin calling Ten and Yamcha's powers huge while in the presence of Sick Goku and Suppressed Piccolo.

I still see no evidence/quotes pointing to Yamcha/Krillin < 1,000,000. I understand your point of view, but I really don't see any evidence for it.
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Dont you think Krillin had to be in the 6 figure range vs Frieza? Piccolo declared that their power levels, being Gohan, Krillin, and Vegeta were huge when he landed on Namek.

Vegeta told Zarbon he would be no help vs Frieza even if he sided with him so he can't be 5 figures. In fact Vegeta scoffed at Goku being able to take Frieza when he first came to Namek and he knew about kiaoken x 4 and saw Gokus power.

It is only reasonable to think that for Gohan and Krillin to help they have to be on par with Goku hypothetically being at his x 4 kiaoken level where he maxed out amplification wise against Vegeta before.

And you have to remember that Krillin and Gohan kept getting stronger because of Guru. They then had 4 more years to progress. In the manga Krillin is shown to train in the year and then train harder the next 3 years. Gohan trains with two of the three strongest for 3 years. Tien and Yamcha train hard. If you include the anime with Garlic to explain how Vegeta/Piccolo got stronger than base Goku, you have to include the fact Gohan and Krillin were even stronger.

Just saying reaching the millions wouldn't be hard for Krillin or Tien who spent 2/3 a year with King Kai
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